Swiss Total One Antioxidant Multi for Thal minors

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Swiss Total One Antioxidant Multi for Thal minors
« on: October 15, 2008, 12:29:18 AM »
Andy,

When I take this supplement for a few months I feel really energized and well.  Would this be a good supplement for our thal minor friends to be taking? 

http://www.yournaturalvitaminstore.com/products/l0046.html

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Re: Swiss Total One Antioxidant Multi for Thal minors
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2008, 01:34:20 AM »
Sharmin,

The company does not provide any information on exact ingredients or nutritional content. Most multi-vitamins list the amounts of each vitamin and mineral on the label. Because of this, I can't really make any recommendation one way or another.
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Re: Swiss Total One Antioxidant Multi for Thal minors
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2008, 01:51:05 AM »
Hi Andy,  this supplement was previously called anti-aging - it is now called antioxidant multivitamin.  Below are the ingredients and content.  The indication is to take 2 caps a day. 

TOTAL ONE THE COMPLETE ANTI-AGING MULTIVITAMIN & MINERAL FROM SWISS HERBAL.

This revolutionary new time release multivitamin and mineral formulation provides the optimum daily balance of nutrients to support overall health. Enhanced with Alpha Lipoic Acid, Lutein, Zeaxanthin, Lycopene, Green tea, Grape seed, Omega-3 and more. This full spectrum blend is ideal for those wanting a multi that works to boost immunity, fight degenerative disease, protect vision, and help maintain healthy youthful skin. [CAPLET]
 

EACH 2 CAPLETS CONTAIN:

Vitamins:    
Beta Carotene (provitamin A)    3000IU
Vitamin A    4000IU
Vitamin D    400IU
Vitamin E (D'Alpha Tocopheryl Succinate)    150IU
Vitamin C    150mg
Vitamin B1 (Thiamine Hydrochloride)    50mg
Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin)    50mg
Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine Hydrochloride)    50mcg
Niacinamide    50mg
Folic acid    1.0mg
D'Pantothenic Acid (Calcium D'Pantothenate)    50mg
     100mcg
     
Minerals (Elemental):    
Calcium (HVP Chelate, Citrate)    150mg
Magnesium (HVP Chelate, Oxide)    75mg
Potassium (Chloride)    12mg
Manganese (HVP Chelate)    2mg
Zinc (HVP Chelate)    10mg
Copper (HVP Chelate)    1mg
Iodine (kelp)    0.15mg
Selenium (HVP Chelate)    75mcg
Chromium (HVP Chelate)    75mcg
Molybdenum (HVP Chelate)    25mcg
     
Non-medicinal Ingredients:    
Alpha Lipoic Acid    100mg
Lutein    400mcg
Zeaxanthin    17.6mcg
Lycopene    5mg
Omega 3 Fatty Acids (Flax seed oil)    150mg
Grape seed extract (95% Proanthocyanidins)    25mg
Green Tea Extract (50% Polyphenols)    10mg
Sulforaphane (Broccoli extract)    100mcg
N-acetyl Cysteine    200mg
Silica    1mg
Bioflavonoid complex    50mg
Lecithin    150mg
Para amino benzoic acid    25mg
Glutamic Acid    25mg
     
Also contains: Magnesium stearate, Microcrystalline cellulose.    
     

FORMAT:

 50 caplets


IMPORTANT INFORMATION:

This product contains no added: Artificial preservatives, Colour, Wheat or Yeast.
 
RELATED ARTICLES:

 Aging

 Energy

 Immune System Health

Articles by a Naturopathic doctor.

 

    
HIGHLIGHTS:

 Complete Anti-Aging Multivitamin & Mineral
 With added ALA, Lutein, & Lycopene and Flax seed oil
 Designed to release over an 8 hour period
 Supports overall health and helps prevent premature aging
 Idea for those over 40 years of age

SUGGESTED USE:

Adults: Take two caplets once a day with or without food.

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Re: Swiss Total One Antioxidant Multi for Thal minors
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2008, 02:01:58 AM »
here is a more updated version, i don't know if it is any different.

Swiss Natural SourcesĀ® Timed Release products are formulated to gradually release ingredients over 8 hours.
No artificial preservatives, colours, dairy or wheat.
 
Each caplet contains: Medicinal ingredients
 
Beta Carotene (Provitamin A)
1500 I.U.
 Vitamin A (Acetate)
 2000 I.U.
 Vitamin D3 (Cholecalciferol)
 200 I.U.
 Vitamin E (d-alpha tocopheryl acid succinate)
 75 I.U.
 Vitamin C (Ascorbic Acid) 
 75 mg
 Vitamin B1 (Thiamine Hydrochloride)
 25 mg
 Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin)
 25 mg
 Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine Hydrochloride) 
 25 mg
 
 Vitamin B12 (Cyanocobalamin)
 50 mcg
 Niacinamide
 25 mg
 Biotin
 25 mcg
 Folic Acid
 500 mcg
 Pantothenic Acid (Calcium d-Pantothenate)
 25 mg
 Calcium (HVP* Chelate, Citrate)
 75 mg
 Magnesium (HVP* Chelate, Oxide)
 37.5 mg
 Potassium (Chloride)
 6 mg
 
 Manganese (HVP* Chelate)
 1 mg
 Zinc (HVP* Chelate)
 5 mg
 Copper (HVP* Chelate)
 0.5 mg
 Iodine (Kelp)
 75 mcg
 Selenium (HVP* Chelate)
 37.5 mcg
 Chromium (HVP* Chelate)
 37.5 mcg
 Molybdenum (HVP* Chelate)
 12.5 mcg
 Alpha Lipoic Acid
 50 mg
 
 Lycopene (Lycopersicon esculentum)   
 25 mcg
 Flax Seed Powder (Linum usitatissimum) 
 75 mg
 Grape Seed 120:1 Extract 120 (95% Proanthocyanidins) (Vitis vinifera L.)
 12.5 mg
 Green Tea Extract (50% Polyphenols) (Camellia sinensis)
 5 mg
 Sulforaphane (Broccoli Extract)
 50 mcg
 N-acetyl Cysteine
 50 mg
 Para Amino Benzoic Acid
 12.5 mg
 Bioflavonoid Complex (Citrus limon, Citrus sinensis)
 25 mg
 
 L-Glutamic Acid     12.5 mg
 Lutein (Tagetes erecta)      200 mcg
 Zeaxanthin (Tagetes erecta)      8.8 mcg
 Silica (Colloidal Silicon Dioxide)     0.5 mg
 Lecithin (Glycine max)     75 mg
 
 
Non-medicinal ingredients: hypromellose, microcrystalline cellulose, magnesium stearate
*HVP: Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein
 
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Re: Swiss Total One Antioxidant Multi for Thal minors
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2008, 02:10:40 AM »
Hi Sharmin,

It looks like a good product and I even think majors could use it because it only has 150 mg vitamin C per 2 caps. Most of the doctors recommend a multi vitamin for thals in addition to some extra supplements, such as added vitamins D & E, because the multis don't contain enough of certain vitamins. Multis are a good supplement but don't forget to add the individual vitamins and minerals as needed.
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Re: Swiss Total One Antioxidant Multi for Thal minors
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2008, 02:24:09 AM »
Thanks for checking that Andy, you are right - I had a vit D deficiency even though I was taking a multi.  I think the majors need even more. 

Andy, my son was also vit D deficient, do you know how much of a dose he should take (he is 27kg). 

Sharmin
« Last Edit: October 16, 2008, 03:32:05 AM by sharmin »
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Re: Swiss Total One Antioxidant Multi for Thal minors
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2008, 09:21:17 AM »
Wow,that sounds like an amazing product,covering like everything and excluding iron :) .

Zaini.
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Re: Swiss Total One Antioxidant Multi for Thal minors
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2008, 10:05:19 AM »
I looked here on the net in Holland to buy them but these ones i couldn't find
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Re: Swiss Total One Antioxidant Multi for Thal minors
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2008, 02:43:35 PM »
Hi Maria & Zaini,

I was actually thinking of you thal minors like you when I posted this.  In Oakland the doctor came in with a bottle of Centrum Silver and said all thals should be on it.  I thought that it would be well worth it to research another product (Such as Swiss Total One antiox) listed above - to give thal minors (and even majors) another alternative.  We can add a few essentials to this and it may be a good thing. 

If the exact brands are not available where you are maybe you can use this and the ingredients of the Centrum silver as a guide to select a vitamin from a respectable company that is available where you are.  I will keep looking to see what else I can find in the mean time. 

Sharmin
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Re: Swiss Total One Antioxidant Multi for Thal minors
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2008, 09:24:56 AM »
hi guys i found this 1 is it the one your talking about

http://www.totalhealthvitamins.net/product/2844?/r=pricegrabber

we also have the problem with customs but I dont know if this also applies to supplements


maria
« Last Edit: October 17, 2008, 09:36:08 AM by mariaf »

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Re: Swiss Total One Antioxidant Multi for Thal minors
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2008, 12:59:36 AM »
Hi Maria,

This is a different supplement than the one I discussed, but if the ingredients are the same it may be just as good.


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Re: Swiss Total One Antioxidant Multi for Thal minors
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2008, 04:08:54 AM »
Has anyone been taking the Swiss total one?  Any notable changes? 

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Re: Swiss Total One Antioxidant Multi for Thal minors
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2008, 02:06:22 AM »
Andy, my son was also vit D deficient, do you know how much of a dose he should take (he is 27kg). 
Sharmin

It's been quite a while since this question was posted, but I am certain that even now this answer can help - after all the vitamin D supplementation tends to last so long.
This story should be told in another thread (how I come to realize that all), because it is so long, but for now only the important things.

Firstly I would like to tell you that according to research, there is no danger when taking vitamin D in doses like 10000 iu. This is described here:
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/69/5/842
However, this is based on an adult that weighs for example 60-70 kg, so in the case of a child this should be scaled down accordingly to child's weight.

Secondly, if the deficiency is very severe (based on the blood test) it is allowed to use doses even greater than 10000 iu (for adults). All that has to be done is periodic calcium test in blood and in 24h urine collection, to see if too much calcium is not absorbed.

Your target vitamin D blood level is at least 30 ng/mL or better 40 ng/mL.
Dosage should be adjusted accordingly to the initial and target vitamin D level. And the supplementetion should be done fast, because you don't want to wait forever for the results.
For example first doctor I went to, gave me 500 iu, and it would take me 5 years to reach 45 ng/mL - ridiculous! The next doctor gave me 1000 iu - also ridiculous - 2,5 years to supplement fully.
Now I take 15000-20000 iu per day, but I weigh 120 kg (however rather not very obese, but very tall, and obese people should take higher dosages for the same effect) and this dosage works for me. I have still 2 months to go with the supplementation in order to achieve 45 ng/mL.

My initial dosage calculation was based on this article, then I calculated dosage according to repeated vitamin D blood tests, and then I increased the dosage to 20000 iu to speed things up. Couldn't wait any longer, because of the health issues caused by this deficiency.


http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/6123/title/Food_for_Thought__Understanding_Vitamin_D_Deficiency


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But the problem can be remedied with a vitamin D supplement, he adds.
Hollis gives the example of a student who worked in his lab last fall.
Owing to her heavily pigmented skin and obesity, he worried she might
be vitamin D deficient and recommended she have her blood tested for
the vitamin. She did, and the analysis showed that her blood had only
about 7 ng/ml, which is "profoundly deficient," says Hollis. However,
after the student took 4,000 IU of vitamin D per day for 3 months,
Hollis says, "we finally got her blood levels into the mid-30s."

So, summing up. The dosage depends on how fast you need to have your vitamin D balanced, and how many and how often you are willing to take precautionary measures (calcium tests).

B.

PS. What made me really furious is that in this hospital where the test is physically done and the blood "flows" there from the whole Poland, they do not have the correct normal range for vitamin D - they have 11 - 54 ng/mL and this is so wrong because it should be 30 - 54 ng/mL.
All deficient patients with 11-30 ng/mL values are told that they are within normal range, and they are severy deficient.
The lab know about the incorrect normal range, but they say that the doctor will know, how to apply the correct range...
Yeah, right! Even the doctors from this hospital use this incorrect normal range in scientific papers.
So, the bootom line is that sometimes you can't even trust the normal ranges from very renowned laboratory...

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Re: Swiss Total One Antioxidant Multi for Thal minors
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2008, 03:26:13 AM »
Bigg,

Thank you kindly for taking the time to answer and my question and for the in depth explanation I really appreciate it.  Since the time that I posted this question I have begun to give my son Osteocare but I will assess to see if he is getting enough.  Thank you again:)

Sharmin  :hugfriend
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Re: Swiss Total One Antioxidant Multi for Thal minors
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2008, 05:37:22 AM »
Although in the past it has been thought that high doses of vitamin D should be avoided, research in recent years has shown that this thinking is incorrect. In addition, the minimum daily dosage needs serious revision. I recently doubled my daily dose to 2000 IU and it has made a difference in how tired I've been feeling. I may still need to go higher, but it is helping. In summer, when I can get sunlight, I don't even take supplemental D, but in winter I feel terrible without it and get depressed constantly if I don't take extra D. An interesting study was done in the UAE, where in spite of more than adequate sunlight, the vast majority of women were found to be deficient in vitamin D. I have mentioned this study before in a post at
http://www.thalassemiapatientsandfriends.com/index.php?topic=1184.msg9248#msg9248

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Middle Eastern women may have vitamin D deficiency[/b]
Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:22PM EDT

By David Douglas

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - In certain Middle Eastern and other countries where conservative dress curtails exposure to sunlight, high levels of vitamin D supplementation may be needed to raise serum levels sufficiently in women, investigators report.

"When sunlight exposure -- the main source for vitamin D in humans -- is limited," Dr. Hussein F. Saadi told Reuters Health, "much higher dietary intake of vitamin D is needed than currently recommended," especially for women who are breast-feeding.

As reported in the June issue of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Saadi and colleagues at the United Arab Emirates University, Al Ain, studied vitamin D levels in 90 women who were breastfeeding and 88 women who had never given birth. Many dressed to cover their whole bodies, including their hands and faces, while outside of their homes.

Only two of the women, one in each group, were not vitamin D deficient at study. All the women were randomly assigned to receive 2000 IU of vitamin D2 daily or 60,000 IU in one dose each month. The investigators note that vitamin D2 is the only high-dose calciferol available in the UAE.

Althoughboth monthly and daily dosing significantly and safely increased vitamin D levels, only 21 of the 71 women (30 percent) who completed the 3-month study reached the recommended blood levels.

Vitamin D2 doses "as high as 2000 IU per day were marginally effective in ensuring adequate vitamin D status," Saadi commented. He and his colleagues suggest that "if the more potent vitamin D3 preparation is not available, higher doses of vitamin D2 than currently studied may be needed."

Dr. Saadi added, "When compliance or adherence with a daily regimen of vitamin D supplementation is an issue, monthly dosing appears to be a safe and effective alternative in ensuring adequate vitamin D status in subjects at risk for vitamin D deficiency."

SOURCE: American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, June 2007.

Please note that a 60,000 IU dose once per month was proven safe. I don't think toxicity is really an issue and it has to be remembered that thalassemics are often severely deficient in several vitamins and minerals.

Bigg, I'm happy to hear you've found something that gives some help. It's not easy to overcome genetic problems but much can be done to optimize regardless of what nature has given you. Keep us posted on what you find that does help.
Andy

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