Stroke or Strok symptons occuring to Thal

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Stroke or Strok symptons occuring to Thal
« on: August 23, 2006, 03:48:36 PM »
I recently feels like I am having stroke symptoms and not sure if Stroke does happen to Thal as we seldom come across high blood pressure for Thal major patients.

Some times when i am working on concentrating on stuff for a period of time and then proceed to stand up I feel that I m losing control of myself. My legs and hangs starts to shake and feel weak. I cannot keep hold of myself and when I tried walking to steady myself I fell.

Is that a stroke symptoms? What could be happening? I am using deferal and desfriprone (1yr) and my iron level has been acceptable at around 800+

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Re: Stroke or Strok symptons occuring to Thal
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2006, 08:12:17 PM »
As per http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/stroke/knowstroke.htm#symptoms
The symptoms of stroke are distinct because they happen quickly:

Sudden numbness or weakness of the face, arm, or leg (especially on one side of the body)
Sudden confusion, trouble speaking or understanding speech
Sudden trouble seeing in one or both eyes
Sudden trouble walking, dizziness, loss of balance or coordination
Sudden severe headache with no known cause


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Offline Andy Battaglia

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Re: Stroke or Strok symptons occuring to Thal
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2006, 02:08:47 AM »
While stroke is more common in Alpha Thalassemia and sickle cell anemia, it is also a danger in thal major and intermedia. Keep in mind that some percentage of thals will have strokes similar to the percentage in the general population.

From http://moon.ouhsc.edu/kfung/jty1/neurohelp/ZNB0DD02.htm

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Beta-thalassemia major... have an increased risk of thrombotic stroke, to which the postsplenectomy thrombocytosis contributes.

It had been found that there is a chronic hypercoagulable state in thalassemia. What this means is that the blood sticks together more than it should, creating a higher possibility of blood clots, which can lead to strokes and heart attacks. It has been found that the risk is higher among non-transfused intermedias and majors who do not receive adequate transfusions and also among splenectomized patients. The reason for this is suspected to be a combination of having more damaged red cells in the blood stream because of the body's own red cell production which is elevated in untransfused patients, and also increased platelet counts. Thalassemic patients also have low levels coagulation inhibitors,  protein C and protein S.

This research can be seen at http://www.bloodjournal.org/cgi/content/full/99/1/36

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A range of laboratory tests has provided solid evidence for the existence of a chronic hypercoagulable state in thalassemia and, particularly, in splenectomized patients with beta -TI who do receive regular transfusions...(intermedia) patients may be more susceptible to thromboembolism because they have more circulating damaged RBCs and increased platelet counts. The beneficial role of regular blood transfusions is illustrated by the observation that thromboembolic (editor: blood clotting) manifestations are more frequently recorded in less developed countries with limited transfusion resources and ex vivo and in vitro experiments that show that normal RBCs can eliminate the abnormal aggregation observed with thalassemic RBCs.

It is suggested that a therapy including blood thinners or anti-coagulant agents may be of help in patients who have had previous thrombotic events (clots) or who may have a tendency for them.

Many thal pateints have used blood thinners because of high platelet counts and the danger of clots that this presents. Vitamin E and aspirin are also well known as blood thinners that may provide some protection against clotting. In fact it is demanded that both be stopped one week before surgery because of their anti coagulating properties, and of course, after surgery, blood must be able to clot normally to prevent bleeding. This property is one more benefit vitamin E offers for thals.

What does all this mean to you? You do have an increased chance of blood clots, and therefore strokes which are caused by clots, if you are thalasssemic, but even more so in non-transfused patients who've had splenectomies.

If you have not already seen a doctor about what happened, do so as soon as possible. Silent strokes do occur in patients and can be a precursor of a more serious stroke. You need to be examined immediately and find out if what you experienced has anything to do with stroke. These same symptoms can also be a result of a drop in blood pressure and may only be a temporary situation, possibily related to low Hb. However, it is very important for ALL thalassemics to watch for ANY stroke like symptoms and report them to your doctor immediately.  It may be nothing but because of the serious nature of strokes it should never be taken lightly. I don't want to scare anyone and want to emphasize that in  most cases this is simply a precaution to make sure that nothing serious has occurred.


The research mentioned in this post also directly relates to an earlier post which I made that stated that thrombotic events were observed to be more common in splenectomixed patients.

http://www.thalassemiapatientsandfriends.com/index.php?topic=297.15

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Recent observations and case reports have shown that splenectomy in such patients may cause serious venous thrombotic events ranging from deep vein thrombosis to pulmonary thrombotic lesions complicated by pulmonary hypertension.


Also from http://www.bloodjournal.org/cgi/content/full/99/1/36

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Cappellini et al observed a high incidence of venous thromboembolic events (VTEs) in a group of 83 patients with beta -TI who were followed for 10 years. Twenty-four patients (29%) developed either pulmonary embolism, DVT, or portal vein thrombosis, and recurrent VTEs occurred in 9 of these cases. All patients except one had undergone splenectomy.


Autopsy findings in patients with thalassemia have clearly demonstrated hypercoagulability as a pathologic feature. Autopsies on 17 splenectomized and 2 nonsplenectomized patients of 43 with beta  thalassemia/hemoglobin E disease showed atherosclerotic changes and obstructive lesions consisting of organized, recanalized thrombi in the pulmonary arteries and microvasculature...The results from these studies show that, in addition to their increased number in splenectomized patients, chronic platelet activation is present in beta -TM and beta -TI...The presence of morphologic platelet abnormalities in splenectomized patients with beta  thalassemia/hemoglobin E disease may also contribute to an enhanced risk of vascular complications

This is found far more often is splectomized patients who do not transfuse.

It is now being recognized that there is a second danger to the heart in thalassemics in addition to iron overload. As thal patients age, this is becoming more prevalent. The incidence of thrombotic events is very likely related to this hypercoagulable state and therapy including anti coagulants and blood thinners may become the answer.

Andy

All we are saying is give thals a chance.

 

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