Weird Polycythemia Symptoms Story - Need Professional Advice Plz

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Hi,

I'm new here and have decided to become a member after viewing some very insightful and valuable threads.

I have also stumbled upon some very informative answers by doctors who are members here, like "Andy", so I've decided to ask a few questions about my medical case.

I suffer from a few conditions and symptoms, that appeared together at the same time (a few of which confused the docs). My story is long, but I'll try to keep it short and ask only one or two questions at a time. Better this way.

First off, I've recently been diagnosed with Polycythemia Vera. This was after fluid started accumulating throughout my whole body, starting with the legs, going all the way through the abdomens and filling one of the lungs. My abdomens became huge and round due to the fluid retention.

The fluid in my lungs, especially one of them which was semi-full, caused me to suffer difficulty in breathing for around a month or so.

Then came a worse symptom. Everytime I breath, I felt severe pain at my lower left side of my back (like at the kidney region) accompanied with severe pain at the left shoulder. I learned later on it was because of an enlarged spleen I had which the diaphram now is in contact with and possibly scratched or something. (This problem of the enlarged spleen was solved later and my spleen is shrinking back to normal size each day. No more pain.) But back to the main issue:

Turns out I have Polycythemia (high haemoglobin levels, high TLC and high Platlettes.. the other symbol for white blood cells was lower than normal.. I forgot what that symbol was, but the TLC, Haemoglobin and Platelettes were high).

I went to hospital emergency and got approved to check in and stay at the hospital for treatment. Stayed there for around 10 to 12 days.

What they did to me when I was there:

- Gave me lasix (the diuretic medicine) along with vitamins through vein, twice a day, which helped me get rid and pee off all that excess fluid. I lost 9 kg within like 3 days or so. All was water. My stomach (or abdomens) shrunk to normal size now, lost all the water from my legs and was able to breathe normal.

- Gave me some medicine to be spread on the tongue and swallowed because they say they've noticed that my tongue and mouth are polycythemic (whatever that means). Perhaps to prevent ulcers or something.

- Gave me some other medications (Spironolactone, Pantoprazole, and Allopurinol).

- They wanted to take a sample of the fluid from my abdomen before all the water was drained out due to Lasix (they'd do that through injecting a needle in my right side below the lungs). When the doc did that, he was surprised that all that came out was blood and not fluids. He mentioned something about Platelettes to the other doc next to him but I couldn't hear properly.

- They did venesection (phlebotomy) of one unit, but were surprised my blood was stubborn and my haemoglobin only decreased by a very low fraction. It was also very thick blood and they had a hard time making it fill the one unit (I believe it already clotted in the needle or something).

- They did CT scan and said there was some evidence of thrombosis in the veins between the liver and spleen or something. The part in the CT report said this:

"Hypodense shadow noted at the lower end of th einferior vena cava just before the bifurcation and iliac veins extending to the femoral veins which could represent query thrombus formation for further investigation".

I don't know what that means, but they said because of my Polycythemia, thrombosis occured and was possibly responsible for the fluid accumulation and the enlargment of the spleen. (liver was also enlarged at early stages but now is normal).

- Then they explained to me that they will have to give me warfarin to make my blood thinner, plus 2 injections to my abdominal skin of some similar medicine that makes the blood thinner. They explained that when I go back home, I will have to continue on the warfarin pills (but the injections will stop).

- They did another venesection after like 3 or 4 days.

- They took a sample from my blood and sent it to Germany for JACK 3 or something test (I live in the middle east, and they don't do that check here, so they had to send it over to Germany... still waiting for the results of that test).

- They wanted to do bone marrow biopsy. I refused. Then, the head doctor and chief of staff arrived and explained to them that they shouldn't do anymore venesection as haemoglobin isn't that important in this case. He also said that no need for bone marrow biopsy before the JACK3 results from Germany. If they are positive, then good. If negative, then they should do the biopsy.

- Then the dreaded part came: They explained to me that I will have to start taking Hydroxyurea (which I've read many negative things about with regards to side effects, especially it's link to converting polycythemia into leukemia). I strongly refused at first, and asked them to give me time to think. I then did a lot of online research on my laptop which my brother brought to me at the hospital.

It seemed there was no way out of HydroxyUrea. It was the only mild thing available. I am scared of chemical medications and I know that anything that messes with my bone marrow can cause cancers down the road. They also explained to me that I will have to take it for the rest of my life (maybe only lower the dose in future)!

They wanted to give me 4 caps in the morning and 4 caps at night (500mg). High dose at first then they will lower it as they explained. I refused and said let's start with only 2 in the morning then 2 at night, and do it for a coupla days then check the results. They agreed.

The 2 at morning and 2 at night weren't doing it for me, so they asked me to take 4 at morning and 4 at night. It worked and my platelettes, TLC and haemoglobin count started to lower (although the haemoglobin was still stubborn and only lowered by very small fraction, unlike the platelettes and TLC).

The two warfarin pills (1mg each) a day that they put me on in the hospital, plus the two injections of the similar medicine, made my INR relatively high  (2.1 or 2.2 can't remember). So they asked me to that when I check out, I should take only 1 and a half pill a day at home.

Time for me to check out. I am at home now. I think they forgot that I will no longer get the injections, which resulted in them surprised that my INR became lower than expected again. (I did blood tests at the hospital again after 2 days of checking out). After noticing the low INR, they asked me to go back to 2 pills of warfarin a day. They also put me on 2 caps of hydroxyurea in the morning and 2 at night. Effect was low so they asked me to increase it to 3 caps in morning and 3 at night. Effects were good. TLC, Platelettes and the rest dropped to normal. I remember when I checked in, my platelettes were in the 600 range. They dropped down to 400 after hydroxyurea, then now they are around 140 which my docs say is the normal range.

Everything dropped to normal, EXCEPT the haemoglobin. My doc was puzzled why the haemogblobin doesn't wanna drop and is still puzzled. It went back from the lowest count it became (17) to (18.4) my normal high haemoglobin level before treatment.

My questions are:

1- Is hydroxyurea supposed to lower the haemoglobin as well? I read online it increases it. But maybe they were referring to only fetal haemoglobin and maybe that's diff. What's the truth?

2- I want to get off this hydroxyurea thing as soon as possible. According to my docs they say if I do that, I will develop the same probs and risks as before. I DO NOT want to stay on that thing for the rest of my life. Even with lowered doses. Please tell me there is a way out!

3- I used to be fit and do sports. Like weight lifting. Also used to take protein powder (shakes) and creatine (no steroids though). I asked the chief doc if I will be able to do that again and lift weights. He said no, if I gain weight, I will risk bleeding because of the warfarin. Do you have any advice on that? Warfarin and weight lifters?

Apologies for the very long post (I tried to make it short, but seems I suck at that. English is not my first language). There is still more to it and I have some more questions, but will save that for another post.

I appreciate you going through my post and appreciate any kind of advice or tips you can offer with regards to my conditions.

Thanks in advance,
Sambi

« Last Edit: January 30, 2013, 01:21:49 AM by Sambi »

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Re: Weird Polycythemia Symptoms Story - Need Professional Advice Plz
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2013, 03:03:54 AM »
Hi Sambi,

Polycythemia Vera causes an overproduction of red blood cells, and platelets and white cells can also be increased.  It is usually associated with a gene mutation called JAK2V617F. The main symptom is too much blood and this is why the fluid removed
was blood. Normally, blood will continue to be taken until the Hb drops to normal. Because your blood was so thick, this wasn't practical, but now that you are taking the blood thinner, can this resumed? It would seem much simpler to take blood once it has been thinned. Talk to your doctors about this. It is preferable to the drug approach when possible.

Hydroxyurea suppresses the bone marrow, even though it also activates the gamma gene that produces fetal Hb. In a patient with too much blood, it is the main alternative approach to lower the production of red blood cells. And it does work, as you've experienced. Hydroxyurea does have some side effects, but at low dose they are minimal. There may be some small risk of leukemia associated with the use of hydroxyurea in PV patients, but the risk is outweighed by the reduction in platelets and related thrombosis.

I believe that at this point in time, hydroxyurea is needed and this will continue. However, a new approach of using JAK 1/2 inhibitors has been the subject of much research and the first of these drugs was introduced in 2011. Expect further advances, as JAK 2 inhibitors are also of great interest in thalassemia, so there is much research in this area. I would expect that you will see great changes in the approach to treatment in coming years.
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/205114-treatment
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In November 2011, the JAK1/JAK2 inhibitor, ruxolitinib (Jakafi), became the first US Food and Drug Administration (FDA)–approved drug for patients with intermediate- or high-risk myelofibrosis, including primary myelofibrosis, post-polycythemia vera myelofibrosis, and post-essential thrombocythemia myelofibrosis. Approval was expedited in accordance with the US Orphan Drug Act and based on US and international data from the COMFORT-1 and COMFORT-2 trials. Results from the COMFORT-1 trial showed patients (n=309) who received ruxolitinib had a significant reduction in spleen volume (at least 35%) at 24 weeks when assessed by MRI or CT compared with placebo (41.9% vs 0.7%).

Warfarin is used because your blood is so thick and phlebotomy only makes it thicker. If your Hb can be brought to and kept in a normal range, the drug should not be needed. If this is accomplished, I would suggest natural vitamin E be used as a blood thinner instead of the drug. You should also be on a low iron diet and totally avoid iron supplements and foods with added iron. Once the condition is controlled, you should be able to resume normal activities.
Andy

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