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fish oil
« on: February 09, 2010, 06:08:38 AM »
I am very new to this and want to make sure that 'first I do no harm'. I was told that my 12 year old child should be taking fish oil for another issue. Her dosage in the bottle is
omega-3 polyunsaturated fat 645mg
EPA 500mg
DHA 69 mg
other omega fatty acids 76 mg
vitamin E (mixed tocopherols) 5 mg
vit C 32 mg
It comes in a chewable by Minami Nutrition. Will any of these harm a thal minor? I am in the process of getting copies of her last blood results. I wasn't paying much attention to the doc because she told me that this (thal)  is a non issue and not to worry about it. Once I get her numbers I'll have a better idea of what questions to ask. Wonderful site :)

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Re: fish oil
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2010, 07:55:14 AM »
Hi,

:welcomewagon

Welcome on the forum,:) Omega 3 is very helpful and i don't know if it has any side effects,i am sorry i don't know the details,Andy must be able to help you more,Keep posting and feel free to ask any questions you have.

Zaini.
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Re: fish oil
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2010, 11:23:04 AM »
Hi cshells and welcome to the site :wink

Omega 3 is a very good supplement to be on and known for increasing immunity againt viral infection too ( my doctor keeps telling me this and even believes that this is the supplement that should be taken for life) there are other important benefits of omega 3 that you can see in this link too
http://www.omega3.org/five-reasons-why-we-need-omega-3.html

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Lowering blood pressure levels
Preventing allergies
Reducing the risk of cardiovascular diseases
Promoting healing from illness or injury
Balancing blood sugar levels
Combating depression
Preventing certain cancers


I also advise you to read in the section of Thal minor, you will find many posts that will give you a clear idea of a minor.

Also make sure that in the future, your daughter's partner must be screened for thal trait in order to avoid having a thal major baby

Manal

Re: fish oil
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2010, 06:57:48 PM »
They include vitamin E in the oil BECAUSE the vitamin E 'somewhat protects'
the recipient FROM the FACT fish oil causes a DEPLETION of vitamin E in the
recipient.

Fish oil supplements increase requirements for Vitamin E
LONDON, ENGLAND. A recent experiment carried out at King's College in
London showed that daily intake of fish oil supplement reduces the
plasma concentration of vitamin E to below normal range. Nine healthy
male subjects were given a daily fish oil supplement containing 2.1 g
docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) and 0.8 g eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) for a
six week period. The proportion of DHA and EPA in the blood increased
during the trial while the concentration of very-low-density-
lipoprotein-cholesterol and triacylglycerol decreased. Blood pressure
fell slightly during treatment, but rose again once the fish oil
supplementation was discontinued. Of particular interest was the
finding that alpha-tocopherol (vitamin E) concentration in the blood
fell from 20 micromol/l to about 10 micromol/l during the experiment.
This raises the question whether fish oil supplementation increases
the need for antioxidant supplementation.
Sanders, T.A.B. and Hinds, Allison. The influence of a fish oil high
in docosahexaenoic acid on plasma lipoprotein and vitamin E
concentrations and haemostatic function in healthy male volunteers.
British Journal of Nutrition, Vol. 68, July 1992, pp. 163-73

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Re: fish oil
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2010, 07:22:59 PM »
This shows the difference they found in the oils and how the fish
oil did NOT treat skin problems evidencing "some difference" between'
the effects of fish oil versus vegetable oil.


Biologic significance of polyunsaturated fatty acids in the skin.
Ziboh VA Chapkin RS
In: Arch Dermatol (1987 Dec) 123(12):1686a-1690

Deficiency of essential fatty acid (EFA) containing linoleic acid
(18:2n-6) in humans or animals induces morphologic changes
characterized by severe scaly dermatosis, extensive percutaneous
water loss, and hyperproliferation of the epidermis.
Microscopically, the epidermis is characterized by hyperkeratosis
and acanthosis.
The refeeding of safflower oil containing linoleic acid or primrose oil
(containing linoleic acid [18:2n-6] and gamma-linolenic acid [18:3n-
6]) acids to EFA-deficient guinea pigs reverses the EFA-deficiency
symptoms.
In contrast, replacement of safflower oil with menhaden fish
oil, (containing eicosapentaenoic acid [20:5n-3] and docosahexaenoic
acid [22:6n-3]) did not reverse the symptoms of EFA deficiency.
These results indicate:
(1) that an understanding of the roles of vegetableor fish oil in skin
must evolve from an understanding of the roles of each constituent
n-6 or n-3 fatty acid, and
(2) that the n-3 fatty acids may function  to modulate the metabolism
and function of the n-6 fatty acids in vivo.

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Re: fish oil
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2010, 08:07:44 PM »
This shows how the meat iron is absorbed 'differently' and MORE
than the iron from plants in hemochromatosis.

<<snip>>
The effect of heme iron intake (from meat, fish, and poultry) was 2.0
times greater (1.2-3.2) on C282Y homozygotes than other groups.
<<snip>>

Epidemiology. 2005 Nov;16(6):802-5. Related Articles, Links


HFE genotype modifies the influence of heme iron intake on iron status.

Greenwood DC, Cade JE, Moreton JA, O'Hara B, Burley VJ, Randerson-Moor
JA, Kukalizch K, Thompson D, Worwood M, Bishop DT.

Biostatistics Unit, University of Leeds, and Genetic Epidemiology
Division, Cancer Genetics Building, St. James's University Hospital,
Leeds, UK. d.c.greenwood@leeds.ac.uk

BACKGROUND: Public health policy to prevent iron deficiency through
food fortification or other measures may be disadvantageous to people
with hereditary hemochromatosis.
METHODS: From a cohort of U.K. women,
2531 women were typed for C282Y and H63D mutations in the
hemochromatosis gene. These women completed food frequency
questionnaires and provided blood for iron status.
RESULTS: C282Y
homozygotes (n=31) had serum ferritin concentrations 2.4 times higher
(95% confidence interval=1.9-3.1) than wild types (n=1774), but
heterozygotes (n=726) were not different from wild types. H63D genotype
had no effect on its own. The effect of heme iron intake (from meat,
fish, and poultry) was 2.0 times greater (1.2-3.2) on C282Y homozygotes
than other groups. Nonheme iron had little effect.
CONCLUSIONS: There
may be scope for dietary intervention in women homozygous for the C282Y
mutation. C282Y heterozygotes and H63D homozygotes and heterozygotes
have similar serum ferritin concentrations to wild type and need not
reduce their meat intake other than as part of a normal healthy diet.

PMID: 16222171

Re: fish oil
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2010, 08:09:41 PM »
I placed that article on the wrong thread .. sorry guys ..   :(

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Re: fish oil
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2010, 04:20:04 PM »
I realize this is an older post, but I came across some information recently that might be helpful.

I have always been sensitive to fish oil and fish that are high in omega 3 fatty acids (flax oil, also).  I would feel awful after ingesting either but never knew why.

After I had a near-fatal episode of heart failure from a hemolytic episode I saw an excerpt from a book by Dr. Dean Ornish (cardiologist) that gave a warning regarding fish oil. I'll paste it in below along with a link to the article.

I'm sure most people with thalassmia would have no problem with fish or flax oil, but if you have a nitric oxide deficiency causing pulmonary hypertension, severe anemia, or heart failure from any cause it's probably best to avoid them.

Jan


The Dark Side of Good Fats
(excerpt from article)
However, like many wonderful things in life, there is also a dark side to the omega-3 fatty acids. A recent British Medical Journal analysis of nearly 100 studies of omega-3 fatty acids found mixed benefits. In most people they were beneficial, but not in everyone. Some people actually got worse.

When Dr. Leaf first learned of these puzzling findings, he thought they were a little, well, fishy. But, after reviewing the data from his studies and others, and communicating with other investigators, he identified the subgroup of people who actually got worse: those with congestive heart failure or chronic recurrent angina (chest pain) due to insufficient blood flow to their heart. Dr. Leaf wrote in a forthcoming article in the August issue of the scientific journal Fundamental & Clinical Pharmacology, "Any patient with an advanced state of impaired cardiac function should not be prescribed fish oil fatty acids or be urged to eat fish!" As he told me in a telephone conversation, "For these people, it may kill them."

Why? When part of a person's heart receives insufficient blood flow due to coronary artery disease, that part of their heart becomes starved for blood and the oxygen that it carries. If it's temporary, they may get angina. If the deprivation is for more than a few hours, that part of the heart muscle begins to die and turns to scar tissue—in other words, a heart attack. If it's a small part of the heart, the person may live; if not, they may die.

If a moderate to large part of the heart muscle turns to scar tissue, then that person may suffer from what's called congestive heart failure. This means that the heart is barely able to pump enough blood to keep the person alive. Also, cells that are only barely receiving enough blood flow become hyperexcitable. This, in turn, can lead to an increased risk of irregular heartbeats, which, in turn, can cause sudden cardiac death.

The omega-3 fatty acids stabilize the rhythm of your heart by effectively removing these hyper-excitable cells from functioning, thereby reducing the likelihood of irregular heartbeats and sudden cardiac death. For most people, this is a very good thing and accounts for most of the large reduction in the likelihood of sudden cardiac death.

However, if you have congestive heart failure, your heart is barely pumping blood well enough to keep you alive. The omega-3 fatty acids may eliminate from function enough of these pumping cells that your heart is no longer able to pump sufficient blood to live, causing an increased risk of cardiac death.

For most people, omega-3 fatty acids remain highly beneficial. I still take them. But if you have congestive heart failure, chronic recurrent angina or evidence that your heart is receiving insufficient blood flow, talk to your doctor. If so, it may be prudent to avoid taking omega-3 fatty acids or eating foods that contain them.

http://www.pmri.org/publications/newsweek/The_Dark_Side_of_Good_Fats_Dean_Ornish.pdf

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Re: fish oil
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2010, 11:24:23 PM »
Thanks Janco, this is really interesting and worth investigating

manal

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Re: fish oil
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2013, 06:36:09 AM »
Hi,

Can anyone shed some more light on this? Andy, anyone?

I was interested in taking fish oil due to it's numerous benefits and I'm not sure if it would be best to take it or not.  :-\

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Re: fish oil
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2013, 01:17:31 AM »
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2706758/

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Omega-3 PUFAs, abundant in fish oil, have been known for their cardioprotective effects (81). Although they are substrates in lipid peroxidation, the by-products of lipid peroxidation were not increased after omega-3 PUFA supplement (82). However, in intensive oxidative stress due to iron overload, omega-3 fatty acid dietary supplement should be used with caution, unless the antioxidant level is adequate (83).

Pratik, I would suggest waiting until you have had a cardiac T2* test that shows your cardiac iron is within a safe range (>20).
Andy

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Re: fish oil
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2013, 10:30:07 AM »
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2706758/

Pratik, I would suggest waiting until you have had a cardiac T2* test that shows your cardiac iron is within a safe range (>20).
Okay Andy, I'll try to get that done pretty soon. I know I'm way back and going back and back for that report; but due to recent stopping of Exjade due to all these misunderstanding and constipation issues, I think I'll get it done within 2 months and by that, the Fe would also read correctly and fine as now I've started the regime again and also that I'll be adding various antioxidants like green tea extract, etc.

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