19 weeks pregnant and found out today that baby has beta thalassemia major

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Andy,

Your post brought tears to my eyes,thanks for being a guiding star for us all.

InGreece,

I am really happy for Wonderful Sophia,i wish her luck ,health and joy in future :) .

Charishma,

I am not saying it'll be a steady journey,yes you'll stumble,fall,but then you'll pick yourself dust off and move on,because it will be your child you'd be living for,and as Andy said he'll become such an immense source of joy for you that you'll forget every sorrow,wishing you the best my dear,we are all here for you  :hugfriend .

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Hi Charisma.....
Lots has already been said,but wanted to just let you know my view as well.....
Whatever the decision, it is tough....
I was in a dilemma whether or not to opine...since you have already made up your mind....
I can imagine your roller coaster of emotions-with the joy of conceiving despite the odds and then this diagnosis...
Life isnt easy anyways...so you have to be strong no matter what. No doubt that the scene is better now and is improving each day...
Yet many times when I see my son, I think that had I known I probably would not have liked to give birth to a child knowing that he has this condition. Sometimes I feel guilty for not having been aware before. I feel that I could have prevented him from being so. I am not saying that he is not normal but why even let him be subjected to even minimal trouble...This is a very personal opinion.I dont know exactly how you feel but can only try to understand... When I see my son on the days of transfusion and every night when it is time for the pump for chelation, I do wish that I could turn back time and maybe have done something had I been aware...
You have the advantage of knowing it right now and so can be prepared for it. Yet dear, it is not easy to see your child suffer even a little...this is not just about thal but about anything....it is difficult to see our kids in tears....
I know that to discontinue the pregnancy is a difficult decision too,because I had to go through this when I conceived my daughter.We had to wait 20 weeks to confirm whether the baby is thal-free and whether or not the HLA matches...In either case not matching, an abortion was to be considered...even the thought shook my very soul. But it did work out in our favour eventually, so that’s that…
Each child is special and it is a blessing from God… there is nothing compared to the feeling of knowing that love can be so special…so you are definitely blessed…
So as of now I can only tell you to be strong and accept all that your decision brings in.You just have to develop your strength and patience because you are the one your baby will learn everything from-about how beautiful this life is and how it is we who can lead it even better.
It will be easier with us all here, I hope...
All the best to you all...
Love and luck to all...

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Hi Charishma and momofshreyas
As I was reading your posts my little one who is a huge fan of Barney and Friends was singing the I love you song. Today his record is stuck at we are a happy family and he is nearly knocking me from my chair with his great big hug. When I look at him all I can see is a happy and a naughty little boy always on the look out for mischief. I will not say life is a breeze even with thal. It is not but it isn`t that difficult either. Ask a blind or a deaf childs parent, what they would do if a doc tells them your child will be able to see or hear but they would need a prick or two every month. Won`t they jump at this chance? I am always thankful to Allah that my son has a disorder which can be managed and I live with the hope that a no risk cure for thalassemia will be available soon.
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Andy sir, Zaini,

We are all here not by choice. We were not aware of our condition. That is why we accept the fate and deal with it, give our best to the child. Yes accidents can happen and there a chance that a person hale and healthy can be drop dead tomorrow. But we still live for today and future. If it happens by accident or ignorance is one thing. But going ahead with full knowledge is selfishness on the parent's behalf is what I think.

After knowing of my son's condition, it took several months for me to get out of the depression, and understand that the depression is affecting me and my husband. We had to keep our sanity and continue with our lives until the time for treatment comes. But like manojmass says, every moment , I think of where I have done wrong and feel guilty knowing I have caused this to my son. This disease - condition, he did not get on his own, I gave it to him. Now that I know , will I bring another Thal Major in to this world? Can anybody else bring another thal major into this world.

I love my child with or without Thalassemia, and with each milestone he gets naughtier, his personality developing, he has firm likes and dislikes. And may be he will the next Einstein . But more than being a great achiever, I want my child to be happy and live a carefree life. I dont want him to lose his normal innocence and be a regular at the world's best hospitals.  I don't like that he is in full bloom on the day of his transfusion and gets paler everyday. I dont like that foreign blood is sustaining his life, like wearing some one else's clothes all the time - only more intimate. The clothes given are "washed" but still they are not his own. I want him to be able to lead his life with minimal assistance, incase something happens to me and/or my husband.

What I am saying is, please don't underplay the Thalassemia. With Thalassemia, the child can seem to be a normal child but there is lot more work  and  many more factors involved. Thalassemia effects the whole family not just the baby and the parents. It dominates everything else in life. Andy sir, now that your boy has endured so  much pain, would you want another child to potentially endure such pain.

Anyway after all said and done, it is the parents who will have to live with the decision. They have to be very strong to care for the baby , get as much help as possible from family members and save more money to be able to treat the baby when the time comes. And have to be very knowledgeable about the disease, things to do/ not to do etc.

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I totally understand what you are saying MomOfShreyas, it is very true and very natural feeling.

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Dear Charishma,

I really feel for you at this point.  You have had a very difficult time getting pregnant and then you were granted this amazing miracle.  You have also been told that this baby, who you have waited for so long has thalassemia major. 

It is very important that you get all of the different points of view, and I am glad that you are seeing all of the different sides of the story.  Having thalassemia major means that your child will have to be poked with a needle at least once a month.  I am hearing that children are starting with exjade these days so hopefully your child will not have to endure desferal. 

When I gave you advise, I took everything into consideration - including your unique situation, the fact that you have had great difficulty conceiving this pregnancy.  If becoming pregnant came quickly and easily to you - perhaps choosing not to continue with this pregnancy and to try again would good advise.  This is not because thalassemia is such torture, but some maintenance and needles pokes are required - therefore if you wanted to avoid it completely and have a non thal child it would be advisable.   

Considering that pregnancy was not achieved quickly and easily for you, this baby is a miracle.  Although the decision is completely yours, for me to urge you to not have this child would be very wrong.  My thought process is that, what if you were to terminate this pregnancy and then not be able to conceive again?  Then while we watch our children grow up, develop, play and warm our hearts with their smiles - and yes receive a needle poke once a month - you may never enjoy these special moments.  How would I forgive myself then?  And how would you feel? 

Yes, thalassemia requires maintenance - and needles pokes once a month are required.  Thalassemia major children lack only one thing - the beta gene on chromosome 11.  The do not lack a working immune system, they do not lack limbs, they do not lack a sensory system, they are usually above average in intelligence and talent. 

After reading your initial post, Charishma, I asked my son about his life and how he feels about it.  He is 10 1/2 years old - so he is not old enough to know everything - nor is he too young to understand.  First of all he was so excited about soccer the next day at school, and the floor hockey tournament he was enrolling in that it took a while to get his attention.  I asked him "How do you feel about your life?"  He looked at me very perplexed, and said "I have the best life!"  I asked him how terrible it was to be transfused and to have desferal.  He said "the poke kind of sucks, but it is quick and then I get to hang out with you or dad and play at the hospital - it's really cool."  "I know you want me to be cured mom, but I think I will miss my thalassemia because it makes me special and the hospital days are relaxing and fun."  Then I actually told him that a mom is pregnant and wanting to know if she should have her baby.  He looked so shocked that this was even a consideration, but I explained that she is only thinking of the baby because she needs to know that life with thalassemia is worth the inconvenience you to deal with to live it.  His answer was "Of course!!  My life is awesome.  I hope that mom will have her baby - it is only a needle poke!  Who cares about a little poke?  Mom, did you see the kids at the hospital who can even walk?  Some of them can't see or think?  There is nothing wrong with me!" 

He has been busy lately, but I will have him post as well.   When I think about thalassemia, other than the fact that my son gets pokes - I think that it affects me more than it affects him.  He gets a quick IV poke - and then he forgets completely.  As parents, we feel guilty even if our children get coughs or colds - so it is normal to feel guilty.  To be honest thalassemia is harder on parents then the patients - because they get used to thalassemia - it is us the parents who wish everything was normal and easier.  We wish that we did not have to worry or think about the disease.  I wish everyday for a cure, I won't deny that - but I want it more than he does for my own peace of mind.  Also, because of the antibody issue - which is completely avoidable.   

As far as children crying, they usually cry during the first 2 years during the IV poke - once a month - as they would during vaccinations.  So what? We don't stop vaccinating children, we do it because it is best for them.  You should not feel guilty, you should know that you are doing what is best for your child.  Again,  I don't stress that people have thal children on purpose without regard for their choices - sometimes thalassemia is chosen for us.  In my case, I found out after his birth - and in Charishma's case she found out before the birth.  But because Charishma had little to know chances of having a baby, the choice is not the same is it is for everyone else. 

I don't advise that everyone have thalassemia major children - if it can be avoided it should - but if this is potentially someone's only chance at having a child - the circumstances are different.  I also don't advise having more than one thal child on purpose - it can be too much to manage.  However, in this day and age, living in the US - having a child with thal - is not torture - it is only a needle poke once a month for gods sake - in return for a normal healthy child every other day.    If one has to choose between having a thal major child versus possibly not having a child at all - what should one choose? 

Oprah once said, that she heard two women's life stories - one was the happiest, most beautiful story and the other one was the most depressing, sad, horrible story ever.  Both stories were about the same woman - it was just about how they were told.  And truly, you will live your life the way you tell your story.  Our doctor told us that by looking at the parents and talking to them, after the first meeting he can tell how well the child with cope with thalassemia.  He said that he personally believes that the disease is easier to manage than asthma, diabetes and many others - because essentially there are no crisis (as Andy can tell you, his asthmatic son had many) - and the child has no limitations.  But some kids will grow up depressed, and filled with self pity - other thal major patients will shoot for the stars and think of their thalassemia as one of the things they most do to keep healthy - stop in for a quick "top up" of blood and take their chelator.  Some kids will never relax when they get their needles, and they will resent them - some will relax and have great fun helping the nurses find the best vein - and talk about what game they want to play that day. 

I am far from perfect, and I have my days - but when I listen to other moms who don't have thal children they do too.  Some kids misbehave at school.  Some are substance abusers etc etc.  Raising children is hard, and there will be challenges.  Of course, if we can avoid things like thal we should - but when we can't then we need to accept them and not let it take over our entire lives.  My son is NOT thalassemia - thalassemia is something that he has.  If choosing between not having a child or having a thal major child - I would still choose having a thal major child because I have every hope of raising him to be healthy and HAPPY. 

Charishma, I hope that you are able to make the best decision for yourself - and then to be proud of that decision and not feel guilty.  People can make you feel guilty either way - for having this baby or for choosing to not have it.  People will scold you for having a child who needs to be poked with needles monthly, and if you choose to not have the baby - people will judge you for aborting a baby who could have lived a great life.  The choice is ultimately yours - and what your heart tells you - and it is not an easy one by far.  I think it is very good that you have seen all of the different sides of this story. 

Best wishes to you,

Sharmin

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Sharmin
Your words reflects my thoughts. You are a wonder when it comes to expessing your thoughts. :hugfriend

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Thank you kindly Maha,

We as parents go through so many emotions in raising these kids.  We all want to make everything perfect for them, and we never want them to suffer in anyway.  We all have strong moments and weak moments - I hope we can encourage each other in the strong moments - and support each other during our weaker ones.  It is so great to have each other get through all of this. 

God bless all of the little ones,

Sharmin
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I have read and reread all of these posts and I want to thank you for all of your opinions, thoughts and tremendous support.  I live on this site these days and I have also gone back and read many other stories and situations.  I dream about treatments you all speak about and worry and then I think about the moments you speak about with your children and I can't wait for those moments.

I know it is not black and white...and I know that my child will go through a lot.  I also know that it will be hard on myself and my husband to watch all this.  Maybe we are selfish but maybe we are one of YOU.  A special couple that GOD has chosen to take care of a special child.     

My decision is based on all of this information and it won't change.  I have had a very hard time this last week...reality really does bite.  I still feel depressed and I just want it all to go away and my child to just be healthy with no problems at all.  I know it won't and as i mentioned before i just need to come to terms with it. This is the path I am taking and unless God has other plans for me...I will not play God.

Right now, I can only hope that I can be as strong as sharmin, maha, inGreece, Andy and all the others that have taken the time to reach out to me.

I have been doing my research to get as educated as possible beforehand and thanks to Sharmin for all the good advice on what I should expect and ask for.  If anyone has any other details to prepare me for this journey - it will be much appreciated.  I am working hard to get myself OUT of this depression and just take care of my unborn baby...and be ready for all that is to come. 

One thing i did not tell you all and I feel that I should...  I was scheduled for a CVS at 11 weeks.  I went to a specialist out of town and if we were to find out that the baby had thalassemia we would have aborted it without thinking. I have never been so scared in my life.  I was at the specialist for 3 hours and they were trying to figure out the best way to do the test.  In the end - there were TWO barriers...one was a blood clot under the baby's head that they did not want to go through...and the other was my bowel which they did not want to go through. 

We left that apptment so relieved but still opted for the amnio.  Both of us knew inside that the amnio would make no difference...and we did not talk about it...we just figured that if the worse was to happen...it would just prepare us.  Of course...we still believed that everything would be okay and we wouldn't even be put in the situation we are in now.  I remember walking into the room to do the amnio and tfehis time feeling nothing but happy to be able to see my baby...i did not have a worry in my mind.

A few days ago - i was frantic.  You all know that NOTHING can prepare you for news like this.  I did not expect to get this news at all and for that moment i lost myself and i actually considered abortion. 

I'm still hurting so much but i'm trying to find myself again. I am trying to be the soldier that my husband says I am.  I'm very concerned about our baby and his/her life and just hope I can get them through all of this.  My husband, my rock... calls our baby a warrior... 



   
   

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Andy sir, now that your boy has endured so  much pain, would you want another child to potentially endure such pain.

I have a lot more to say on this whole subject, but to answer this, yes, 1000 times yes. I would have this same boy over and over and endure it all because this is a boy whose life is well worth living and no matter how much fear and pain I went through, I would accept it all again to give this boy his life. And never once, has this boy ever said he wishes he had not been born. His young childhood was one of frequent rushed trips to doctors and the emergency room and twice admission to the intensive care units, the one time with great fear that he would not survive the night. A childhood spent using a nebulizer 4 times daily and having to lug the nebulizer everywhere we went. He has never expressed the slightest thought about wishing he had not been born. He understands that life has pain and there is work to do to stay healthy, but he also embraces and loves life to its fullest. I talked to him last night about having a needle stuck in his artery at age 3. Yeah, it hurt, but it wasn't even anything that stood out in his memories. What did? The male nurse who attended him and joked with him and made him feel good. He went through incredible pain but that is not what made the biggest impression on him.
 
I have 5 children and each one provided challenges. Thyroid disease at age 10. Pneumonia at age 5. Three kids with asthma. Gallbladder problems at age 14. Life is not easy and life brings pain. All these kids have presented us with different problems but I would not say I wish they had not been born and I could never honestly say that I would not do it all again, even knowing what problems they would encounter. My kids have not had unusual problems. This is all part of being a parent. Should I blame myself for passing on genes that led to thyroid disease and asthma? I don't think so. They are not any medical condition. They are my children and they all have lives that they love. What you do is a parent is what will matter the most. If you present a depressed scared parent to a child, the child will also be scared, but if you show a positive attitude and a belief that your child can have a good life, your children will believe in themselves and believe they can climb every mountain. Can you find your inner strength and become a strong parent who can be a guide to a child whose life will present many challenges? Can you put your own fears aside and see the enjoyment your child finds in life?
 
Would I willingly put my child through everything again knowing all in advance? Yes. Not even the slightest hesitation.
 
Thalassemia is not easy for the patients or parents but for those who have it, it really does help to try and maintain a positive attitude and parents play a big role in this. I see a woman like Shikha whose daughter grew up in India where conditions were not good for thalassemics, but I have never heard a defeatist word from Shikha. She worked hard to make sure her daughter got the care she needed and now her daughter is pregnant and about to make Shikha a grandmother. I am sure she had times of doubt and fear but as a parent, she realized how self defeating this is and persevered and has been rewarded with a successful, happy daughter. So much depends on how a parent approaches the challenges of raising children and if parents are to succeed, even when a child has no health issues, they need to find the strength to deal with all the challenges that life will bring. No one ever said being a parent is easy but it can be very rewarding.
 
One other thing I must say. Think about what you are saying and if it is something you want your child to read when he is older and comes to this group and sees the words his parent said. Will he see words that were full of guilt and self pity or will he see words of determination to do the best no matter what? Will he find strength in the strength of his parents or will he learn weakness and regret? In spite of the certainly overwhelming feelings that can engulf the parents of a child newly diagnosed with thalassemia, it is the life of every good parent to do their best and give their child the best chance. No matter how hard it is, every parent who truly wants to do the best for his or her child, somehow finds the strength to persevere. I am confident that this will happen with our young parents here and that as time passes, the same things will happen for them as it has for the parents who have come here previously and have learned to adapt.

Thalassemia is not fair. It is a disorder that causes many problems. But it is not the end of the world unless you give up and frankly, parents are not allowed to give up. When we make that choice to become parents we accept this. The words of Miaki, who told us the story of being a teenager who complained loudly about her fate apply well here. She told us about how her mother took her to see kids who were really bad off physically. Miaki woke up that day. She learned that she really didn't have things so bad.

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When I was younger I use to blame my parents for bringing me into the world of thalassaemia. I thought they hated me & they wanted me to suffer. At the age of 16 when I was at my peak of rebellion against my parents & the world in that matter and I thought I knew it all, my mother took me to a school were she volunteered her time as a carer for children with special needs.  Upon arriving at this school (I still thought my mother was nasty, but she was about to teach me the best lesson in life) she says to me “ I am about to take you into this school, when we leave later in the afternoon I will ask you one simple question. I will not be with you once we walk in here your on your own to do as you please”

I walked in & I was left speechless, I felt like a complete idiot that I carried on about my life. I saw children / adults in wheelchairs, in beds, some where missing limbs, others were blind, others couldn’t walk, talk, needed aid in feeding & the list goes on. And here was me who was able to play ball with my friends, go shopping, get an education, & go out with my friends to the movies, for coffee. I didn’t need help in dressing, feeding & so on.

When my day visit finished & I got into the car with my mom for the ride home, not a word was spoken. My mother says to me “is there anything wrong with you?” After a long pause & tears rolling down my face I responded with a simple “NO”

My mother that day taught me the best lesson ever, go out there do what you want to do, become who you want to become, nobody has the right to stop you or take nothing from you. You have a disorder you need to take the right motions in life to keep everything in order so you too can see the world that is at your feet.

That changed me & that is what has made me who I am today. I thanked my mother for that special lesson. I was able to move forward & forget about the kids who use to tease me at school for being short, missing out on school often because I was constantly not well & the list goes on. We have to learn to ignore them because these people are not worthy of your company, your friendship, your trust of YOU!

Miaki is now a 40 year old mom of a teenage son. Her life has been like the lives of so many people, full of good times and bad, happiness and pain, but she will never again say she wishes she had never been born. Life is the greatest of adventures and what we make of it is up to each one of us.
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All we are saying is give thals a chance.

Being practical and pointing out the obvious is NOT BEING NEGATIVE. Life has presented me quite a few challenges and I was able to over come some of them, and did not over come some. I dont want thalassemia to make my life even spicier. But obviously, that is just me..

And NO. My kid will not be reeling with "SELF PITY". Thank you.

There is a difference between loving a child after being born and not wanting when he is fetus at 11 weeks old. I love my child and protect and work for him with everything I have.  As people are saying, no, I DONT consider my child a burden. He is the love of our lives, our joy. We are so unbelievably happy now, and some times I think if he did not have this condition, our happiness would have been not containable. We would have gone insane with happiness.

Again, I feel sorry to have pointed out the obvious. I think Charishma, did not want to know the obvious. She already knows the obvious. She wanted hope above the obvious. Then, there certainly is hope, that is what is making all continue with our lives.

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MomofShreyas,

Please know that I thank you for giving me your advice.  This was how you felt and what you are going through and I appreciate you sharing it with me.  I can't say i knew what I wanted from all of this but I definitely am getting a lot of information. The good, the bad and the ugly.   ALL aspects are good for me to know.   

I did not know WHAT we are going to face until I spoke to all of you.  I did not know the obvious.  This post was made so that I could have some sort of guidance and to help me figure it all out.  Now i know what I know and that has helped me somewhat figure things out.

I'm sure that everyone on this site has felt what you are when you see you child suffering...after hearing your pain i know i will also go through it and have just as hard of a time. I'm having a hard time with it NOW just thinking about it.  I ALWAYS said that I do not want to see my child suffer EVER and if this was to happen I would probably abort it.  Now, I'm here and being here is an entirely different story.  I don't know the girl who said that before she actually had a child within her. 

Maybe I'll regret it later...but maybe i won't.  I can't read into the future but I know how I feel now and those feelings are very strong.  These feelings are STRONGER than i knew just one week ago.   

Please know that I truly do appreciate your responses and your feelings in this matter.  They are REAL and that is what I asked for no matter how harsh the truth is.   


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Maybe I'll regret it later...but maybe i won't.

Believe me you won't,you'll learn to live with the joy your precious child will offer,just trust me on that,initial few years will be hard but then you'll come to know that thalassemia is not a death sentence.

Please keep sharing your concerns,we are all here to support you,and i am sorry if anything i said offended you,you are going through a lot already,i hope we are not making it more difficult for you. :hugfriend

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Hi Charisma.....
Lots has already been said,but wanted to just let you know my view as well.....
Whatever the decision, it is tough....
I was in a dilemma whether or not to opine...since you have already made up your mind....
I can imagine your roller coaster of emotions-with the joy of conceiving despite the odds and then this diagnosis...
Life isnt easy anyways...so you have to be strong no matter what. No doubt that the scene is better now and is improving each day...

Hello! In January my Chinese friend will move for atleast a year to Guangzhou. I am planning to visit her in the summer of 2010! Maybe you can give me any suggestions to which hospital I should go when things will get wrong. You see, I want to be well prepared. I hope you and your family are doing well. Best wishes Dore p.s. I have never been in China (Asia) before.
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