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Offline Lena

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« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2010, 06:47:12 AM »
Emby,


when did your son last do the MRI?


Lena.

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« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2010, 07:52:30 AM »
Andy,

Glad to hear Danielle is doing well,convey our best wishes to her :) .

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« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2010, 07:08:53 PM »
Lena....July/August '09.

They have had this sort of pain attack many times before this but when there are beads of sweat coming down their faces its definately something more than a sharp pain. 

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« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2010, 07:39:12 PM »


Emby,


I also have extramedullary hematopoesis creating small masses with no pain and no side effects. I came to know about them through my MRI. A lot of thals have these masses but they keep them under control when transfused with high hb- above 11.
 I am curious though about the nature of your son's pain,Emby...Please keep us posted.

Lena.

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« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2010, 08:54:18 PM »
Lena....it's possible to have this and not have any symptons? When exactly did you find out that you had this?.....and because this is common in people with thal, why isn't their Doc aware of this.....it's so good to know you are not effected by it.

I was grocery shopping this afternoon at a local supermarket, with my other half, and this striking woman, very smartly dressed, stopped with her trolley load to let me pass.  She had a lovely smile warming her face...but i probs had a bigger smile than her because i had to stop myself from shouting out ''Lena....!!'' She was the spitting image of you!......strange feeling.....although i don't really know anyone here.... i feel i know you all. 

   

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« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2010, 09:40:00 PM »
Extramedullary hematopoiesis can actually grow anywhere in the body, including at the cellular level, where it can be mistaken for lymphoma. The most common place it is found is in the abdominal cavity where it may be innocuous or depending on its position, press on organs or the spine. When the latter happens, it causes variable amounts of pain, depending on location and size. If they don't press on anything, one may never even know they're there. They are very common in thalassemia and as Lena mentioned, the best way to keep them from growing is by maintaining an adequate hemoglobin level. Our member Courtenay, who is a thal minor and had one of the most difficult thal minor pregnancies (the boy was born healthy and Courtenay gave me some credit for dong the research that helped save her life during the pregnancy), grew an extramedullary hematopoiesis that presses on her lungs so much that it created an asthma-like condition. Extramedullary hematopoiesis apparently has something in common with real estate because it's all about location. If it's in the wrong location, it can cause extreme pain, especially when it presses on the spine. This can be a dangerous situation and is when radiation or surgery is used to rectify the problem.
Andy

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« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2010, 09:41:16 PM »
Emby,

Are your boys treated at Whittington?
Andy

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« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2010, 05:51:30 AM »

Andy,

I am amazed! Is there something you are not aware of?
We all learn from you.

Emby,

I have these masses and I don't have any symptoms. If it weren't for the MRI, I wouldn't have known about them. According to what Andy said, this may happen.
As for my spitting image - I definitely want to thank you for having so beautifully described her!

Lena.

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« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2010, 02:05:43 PM »
Andy......we live in the midlands although i know London and then perhaps Birmingham have excellant thal centres, it is unfortunate we don't live there......everything has its reasons and God knows best.
Thank you for the imformation on extramedullary hematopoiesis.  Hope Courteny had it treated and  is okay now...may God have mercy on you and bless you for all the good that you do Andy.

Lena......perhaps she was you  :biggrin

Its so sad what happened in Haaiti...thoughts and prayers with people in Haaiti or indeed anyone in any form of distress around the world...Allah for what You have taken from them give them a better replacement. Aameen. 

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« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2010, 03:29:38 AM »
Emby,

Would it be possible to take the boys to Whittington for an annual visit. I'm not sure if it works the same in the UK, but in the US many patients travel to one of the Centers of Excellence once a year for an evaluation, which can then be followed by any adjustments that need to be made to the treatment program. It is quite valuable to the patients and the patients who are seen by these centers tend to have fewer problems, as their care is so well managed. One main benefit of these centers is you get to deal with doctors and nurses who work as a team to design treatment programs for each patient and these professionals are thal specialists with great experience working with thals. If going to London once per year is feasible, you should contact Emma Prescott at Whittington and ask her if this would be possible to set up. I think this would be a very positive step, especially as they move into adulthood.

Lena,

I really have exposed myself to a vast range of information about all facets of thalassemia from the medical to the psychological and emotional, and feel that in some ways I have a broader view of thalassemia than most, but then I meet someone like Dr Vichinsky, who has such an incredible grasp of thalassemia in every possible way, that I feel like I hardly know anything, so your words, coming from a very experienced and knowledgeable person such as yourself, mean a lot to me. As far as extramedullary hematopoiesis, I feel this is one of the most under-diagnosed conditions in thalassemia. I believe that many thals have back pain that is attributed to arthritis, when in fact it is these growths pressing on the spine that are causing the debilitating pain. And they may remain under-diagnosed because it takes a trained tech who knows what to look for in a scan to see them, and they have to be looking for them in the first place, which just usually is not done. However, I think if logic was followed, they would be suspected far more often. Basically, when your body does not have enough oxygen, which is caused by an insufficient hemoglobin level, the body will try to compensate by growing red blood cells outside the bone marrow, often within the organs, the body cavity and even within individual cells throughout the body. In those with thalassemia, this only leads to production of the same bad red blood cells that do not carry much if any hemoglobin, rendering the body's effort to boost the hemoglobin level, futile. There has been a general assumption that these are not very common in majors but I would dispute this, as I personally know of many majors, many of whom are well transfused, who do have these extramedullary growths. This tells me that the hemoglobin does not have to be severely below normal for these growths to begin. Majors tend to maintain their hemoglobin in the same range that is seen in the more symptomatic thal minors, yet many of these majors do get these growths. So, is it far fetched to think that low Hb minors may also get them? Courtenay's is large enough to affect her breathing. I really think that if logic was followed, there would have to be an admission that minors can suffer many of the same things found in majors, but most likely, to a lesser degree. They have one bad gene that causes defective red blood cells to be manufactured. My question to those who claim minors have no symptoms is "why wouldn't they, since half of their hemoglobin production is affected by the thal gene?"
Andy

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« Reply #40 on: January 14, 2010, 06:58:40 AM »
Andy,


I have been  dealing with thalassemia my whole life and because I am analytical by nature, I do not leave anything at random. I always search and study things as a third party and there have been many times when I try to stay outside myself and examine things--observe myself and my reactions.
Being a thal, justifies my knowledge - if any - and my tactics concerning my treatment. 
I have never,though, met someone like you: So well informed,inspite of not being a thal and not being a doctor. So what I am saying, I trully believe. Only committment can justify the great job you have done with this site and this is something for us to respect. I know I do.

Lena.

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« Reply #41 on: January 14, 2010, 12:49:55 PM »
I would say its more than 100% commitment from Andy...it is a whole lifetimes commitment..and that speaks volumes!!.....words alone cannot express what you feel when you come across such a  genuine person such as Andy.......thank you for simply just being there...thank you for your precious time....and thank you for your deeply valued knowledge...

 Andy....that is something to definately look into.....you say 'as they move into adulthood' what should we look out for?


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« Reply #42 on: January 14, 2010, 03:32:49 PM »
Emby,

When I talk about them becoming adults, I am referring to them becoming more and more responsible for their own treatment regimen. The managed structure found with the comprehensive care programs has proven to be extremely important to adult patients who naturally move from full parental involvement to responsibility on their own. In some ways, the comprehensive programs take over for the parent to make sure that all aspects of treatment from transfusions and chelation to the annual tests, scans and evaluations and also the psychological and emotional aspects of treatment are maintained. Without this direction, young adults often slip on compliance and run into problems by age 30. One of the most touching moments at the recent conference in NYC was when two adult women with thalassemia talked about what is necessary for adult patients. The importance of their comprehensive thal centers to these women was well expressed and their request for more adult centers was a real eye opener. Adult thals, if given the choice, will chose adult centers, and the women lamented how little access to adult facilities currently exist. One thing they stressed was how important the thal centers are for the patients and they also pointed out that it isn't just the patients that have to change. It is the centers themselves, that also need to evolve to include both underage and adult patients. With the advancements in thal care, the need for creation of thal centers for adults has become much more apparent and what we are currently seeing is adult patients being treated in adolescent settings. The need for adult centers is obvious to the adult thals of today but their development has lagged. As your sons move towards this age, you should see a correction as we see more adult centers established with more expertise on the problems of aging thals, which are often quite different from the problems of younger thals. All parents are proud to see their children become adults and forge lives of their own. Parents of thals have not had this experience until more recent years, and to achieve this maturity in their children, it is necessary to begin the transition as teens. The comprehensive approach makes it much easier for this to occur as the young adult becomes the person with primary responsibility for his or her own care. In some ways, the center takes over for the parent to make sure the patients stay in full compliance.

There are many issues that confront thals as they grow and giving them the tools to become independent adults is essential to ensure the mental and physical health of those with thal as they become adults. The comprehensive approach to care will ensure that this can happen for every patient.
Andy

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« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2010, 10:50:56 PM »
i feel the biggest thing for us as parents is to get the boys to be more aware and in control of the thal and to keep themselves well informed especially as they are getting older i would like them to take the thal into their own hands with us supporting them all the way.
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I thank God our boys have always been compliant with all forms of their treatment....and I hope, God Willing, they continue this way.... 
 

   

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Re: Question for Andy...
« Reply #44 on: January 17, 2010, 12:47:49 PM »
Hi Emby Sis,
i hope that ur sons are doing fine... wishing them lots of luck n best of everything :) ..

Best  Regards
Take Care
Umair
Sometimes , God breaks our spirit to save our soul.
Sometimes , He breaks our heart to make us whole.
Sometimes , He sends us pain so we can be stronger.
Sometimes , He sends us failure so we can be humble.
Sometimes , He sends us illness so we can take better care of our selves.
Sometimes , He takes everything away from us so we can learn the value of everything we have.

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